Random Thoughts

A random thought: why is it fifteen men on a dead man's chest? Wouldn't two be enough -- one trying to perform CPR, and the other one saying "I'm sorry. He's dead, Jim"? ;)
 
I'm wondering into what sort of texts or genres are different emotions turned into. I am angry, in despair, loving, hopeful, etc, therefore I write..maybe every emotion becomes a driving force for one character's action in a story/scene.
 
Rath Darkblade said:
why is it fifteen men on a dead man's chest?
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And four and twenty black birds baked in a pie...

BTW, no birds were harmed in the baking of the pie, as when the pie was opened the birds began to sing
 
Louanne Learning said:
And four and twenty black birds baked in a pie...

BTW, no birds were harmed in the baking of the pie, as when the pie was opened the birds began to sing
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Too late, the Audubon Society and PETA are on their way with picket signs.


I was going to post something else, but I had to deal with a bored cat that decided to knock over the garbage can in the upstairs bathroom, and it derailed my train of random thoughts.
 
You mean, other than the fact that (like beans and cabbage) it can cause bloating, gas and flatulence?

It's not easy being green.
 
From a brief summary of Door County, Wisconsin: "Please do your best to protect . . . sensitive plant, animals, and the places in which they live."In the next section we find, Following the end of French control in 1763, the English took up fighting the Potawatomi [Native American tribe], and by the early 1800s, had all but exterminated the tribe."

Seems pretty culturally blind to pair these two sentiments, I'd have thought that Indians would be considered life worth protecting.
 
GrahamLewis said:
the end of French control in 1763, the English took up fighting the Potawatomi [Native American tribe], and by the early 1800s, had all but exterminated the tribe."
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I suspect this may be a little bit of revisionist (or simplified) history. It was the British who protected native lands west of the Ohio River (The first Treaty of Fort Stanwix - 1768). That the English did not allow settlers west of that line was in fact a motivator for many colonists in the War of Independence.

The second Treaty of Fort Stanwix (1784) was between the Americans and the Natives and pushed that line west.

The Potawatomi did resist fighting for the British in the War of Independence, but their hard times came under American control, not British.


The Americans won the War for Independence and took the entire Midwest from the British in the peace settlement of 1783. Afterward, Great Lakes tribes soon found out that Americans sought to purchase their lands for White settlers. The United States fought a bloody war against the Ohio Indians from 1790 to 1794. Potawatomi from Michigan and Indiana fought in these battles against Americans. This war further turned many Indians against the United States. Even Siggenauk had a change of heart. Later, many Potawatomi became adherents of Tenskawatawa, or the Shawnee Prophet, and his brother Tecumseh after 1805. The Shawnee Prophet and Tecumseh preached a doctrine of resisting American expansion onto Indian lands in the trans-Applachian region, and the two brothers put together a pan-Indian military alliance that fought on the side of the British during the War of 1812. Once the war started, the Potawatomi defeated the American garrison at Fort Dearborn in Chicago. The British and their Indian allies maintained a strong hold over Wisconsin and other parts of the Midwest, but this did not stop the British from returning these lands to the Americans when the war ended in 1814.

The Potawatomi fell on hard times in the 20 years after the war and were often unable to hunt and grow enough food to eat. They had little choice except to cede their land to the United States in exchange for money so they could survive. The state of Illinois was rapidly settled by Whites, and the governor and other elected officials were anxious to move the Potawatomi out of the state. The Potawatomi ceded some of their land in northwestern Illinois and southwestern Wisconsin in 1829. Many Illinois Potawatomi actively supported the United States Army during the Black Hawk War in 1832 to prevent or delay being removed westward, but this strategy backfired. On September 26, 1833, the Potawatomi of Illinois and Wisconsin signed the Treaty of Chicago, which ceded the last of their lands to the United States. The United States began removing the Potawatomi off of their Wisconsin lands between 1835 and 1838. During this time, the Potawatomi of the Midwest began to fracture and moved to many far-flung locations.

Potawatomi History | Milwaukee Public Museum

The Potawatomi are an Algonkian-speaking tribe which has lived in the Great Lakes region for at least four centuries. Oral traditions of the Potawatomi, Ojibwe, and Ottawa assert that at one time all three tribes were one people who lived at the Straits of Mackinac. From there, they split off...
www.mpm.edu www.mpm.edu
 
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Louanne Learning said:
I suspect this may be a little bit of revisionist (or simplified) history. It was the British who protected native lands west of the Ohio River (The first Treaty of Fort Stanwix - 1768). That the English did not allow settlers west of that line was in fact a motivator for many colonists in the War of Independence.

The second Treaty of Fort Stanwix (1784) was between the Americans and the Natives and pushed that line west.

The Potawatomi did resist fighting for the British in the War of Independence, but their hard times came under American control, not British.


The Americans won the War for Independence and took the entire Midwest from the British in the peace settlement of 1783. Afterward, Great Lakes tribes soon found out that Americans sought to purchase their lands for White settlers. The United States fought a bloody war against the Ohio Indians from 1790 to 1794. Potawatomi from Michigan and Indiana fought in these battles against Americans. This war further turned many Indians against the United States. Even Siggenauk had a change of heart. Later, many Potawatomi became adherents of Tenskawatawa, or the Shawnee Prophet, and his brother Tecumseh after 1805. The Shawnee Prophet and Tecumseh preached a doctrine of resisting American expansion onto Indian lands in the trans-Applachian region, and the two brothers put together a pan-Indian military alliance that fought on the side of the British during the War of 1812. Once the war started, the Potawatomi defeated the American garrison at Fort Dearborn in Chicago. The British and their Indian allies maintained a strong hold over Wisconsin and other parts of the Midwest, but this did not stop the British from returning these lands to the Americans when the war ended in 1814.

The Potawatomi fell on hard times in the 20 years after the war and were often unable to hunt and grow enough food to eat. They had little choice except to cede their land to the United States in exchange for money so they could survive. The state of Illinois was rapidly settled by Whites, and the governor and other elected officials were anxious to move the Potawatomi out of the state. The Potawatomi ceded some of their land in northwestern Illinois and southwestern Wisconsin in 1829. Many Illinois Potawatomi actively supported the United States Army during the Black Hawk War in 1832 to prevent or delay being removed westward, but this strategy backfired. On September 26, 1833, the Potawatomi of Illinois and Wisconsin signed the Treaty of Chicago, which ceded the last of their lands to the United States. The United States began removing the Potawatomi off of their Wisconsin lands between 1835 and 1838. During this time, the Potawatomi of the Midwest began to fracture and moved to many far-flung locations.
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Just to clarify - I'm sure you're not suggesting that the british had the Native's (of any tribe) best interest at heart, right?
 
Trish said:
Just to clarify - I'm sure you're not suggesting that the british had the Native's (of any tribe) best interest at heart, right?
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I didn't make any suggestions, just clarified the history a little.
 
GrahamLewis said:
From a brief summary of Door County, Wisconsin: "Please do your best to protect . . . sensitive plant, animals, and the places in which they live."In the next section we find, Following the end of French control in 1763, the English took up fighting the Potawatomi [Native American tribe], and by the early 1800s, had all but exterminated the tribe." Exterminate is such a cold hard word. But, sadly, maybe, apt.

Seems pretty culturally blind to pair these two sentiments, I'd have wished that the native Americans would be considered life worth protecting, as much as sensitive plants and animals. Or perhaps the attitude toward aboriginal natives has improved. Oh I know I am over-reading it, but that's the editor in me.
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Sorry -- the above is just an effort by me to expand on the original post. It is just so weird sometimes to think that all this place was once under the control of the Potawatamis, and no one, British or American or French, seemed to have any qualms about pushing them out.
 
Louanne Learning said:
I suspect this may be a little bit of revisionist (or simplified) history. It was the British who protected native lands west of the Ohio River (The first Treaty of Fort Stanwix - 1768). That the English did not allow settlers west of that line was in fact a motivator for many colonists in the War of Independence.

The second Treaty of Fort Stanwix (1784) was between the Americans and the Natives and pushed that line west.

The Potawatomi did resist fighting for the British in the War of Independence, but their hard times came under American control, not British.


The Americans won the War for Independence and took the entire Midwest from the British in the peace settlement of 1783. Afterward, Great Lakes tribes soon found out that Americans sought to purchase their lands for White settlers. The United States fought a bloody war against the Ohio Indians from 1790 to 1794. Potawatomi from Michigan and Indiana fought in these battles against Americans. This war further turned many Indians against the United States. Even Siggenauk had a change of heart. Later, many Potawatomi became adherents of Tenskawatawa, or the Shawnee Prophet, and his brother Tecumseh after 1805. The Shawnee Prophet and Tecumseh preached a doctrine of resisting American expansion onto Indian lands in the trans-Applachian region, and the two brothers put together a pan-Indian military alliance that fought on the side of the British during the War of 1812. Once the war started, the Potawatomi defeated the American garrison at Fort Dearborn in Chicago. The British and their Indian allies maintained a strong hold over Wisconsin and other parts of the Midwest, but this did not stop the British from returning these lands to the Americans when the war ended in 1814.

The Potawatomi fell on hard times in the 20 years after the war and were often unable to hunt and grow enough food to eat. They had little choice except to cede their land to the United States in exchange for money so they could survive. The state of Illinois was rapidly settled by Whites, and the governor and other elected officials were anxious to move the Potawatomi out of the state. The Potawatomi ceded some of their land in northwestern Illinois and southwestern Wisconsin in 1829. Many Illinois Potawatomi actively supported the United States Army during the Black Hawk War in 1832 to prevent or delay being removed westward, but this strategy backfired. On September 26, 1833, the Potawatomi of Illinois and Wisconsin signed the Treaty of Chicago, which ceded the last of their lands to the United States. The United States began removing the Potawatomi off of their Wisconsin lands between 1835 and 1838. During this time, the Potawatomi of the Midwest began to fracture and moved to many far-flung locations.

Potawatomi History | Milwaukee Public Museum

The Potawatomi are an Algonkian-speaking tribe which has lived in the Great Lakes region for at least four centuries. Oral traditions of the Potawatomi, Ojibwe, and Ottawa assert that at one time all three tribes were one people who lived at the Straits of Mackinac. From there, they split off...
www.mpm.edu www.mpm.edu
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But isn't Door County WI east of the Ohio River?
 
GrahamLewis said:
It is just so weird sometimes to think that all this place was once under the control of the Potawatamis, and no one, British or American or French, seemed to have any qualms about pushing them out.
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That Native Americans (who we call First Nations in Canada) have suffered grave injustices is not subject to question.

The question now is, what are we doing about it?

There is some movement forward in Canada. Most notably the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

It's imperative that the First Nations are the designers and implementers of their own future.

For example, The Haida Nation (in BC) was recently awarded title on Haida Gwaii
 
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