The artistic experience

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Like Picasso... I'm not a fan of his work but I can see the passion, the personal, and there is a shared experience in viewing his work.

About 1977, I went to the Norton Simon Museum in Pasadena, CA because I wanted to see an exhibit of Degas' pastels. On my way, I passed a gallery of Picasso's work and casually glanced inside. A huge abstract painting at the end of the gallery caught my attention and pulled me in like a fish on a line. I spent about three hours in there, looking at drawings and paintings and who knows what. Changed my creative life. Ten minutes before the museum closed, I ran down to see the pastels. Yeah, they were pretty nice, but Picasso... I had NO idea.

Twenty years ago, the local art museum hung an Andy Warhol show. Meh, thought I, Andy Warhol, but recalling my Picasso experience, I paid my $5 and went. The Warhol exhibit was not as mind blowing as Picasso, but still astonishing. It gave me a glimmer of understanding re: why his work was so well regarded. It doesn't translate well into books.
 
I don't consider myself an artist, or what I write to be art. I write a lot. Flash, short, novels, series, literary, non-fiction, commercial. It's whatever I'm into at the time or whatever is needed. I don't do it as "art" or to "be creative". First, and foremost, if I'm honest about it - writing is the same as reading to me. It's escapism. It's a way to live a million lives (like reading) but doing it choose your own adventure style. If someone else can read it and escape to another world for awhile? That's pretty damned cool.

I lean heavily toward commercial fiction overall because that's what I grew up reading and it comes naturally to me, and I do hope to be paid for it eventually (planning to start submitting for the first time ever in March or early April). Maybe then I'd consider it art, but I really can't imagine thinking of it that way. I do it because I enjoy almost everything about it immensely.
 
What does the artistic experience mean to you, or for you?
Leave it to you to come up with these marvelous questions, Louanne.

I'll give you my answer, but first let me comment on the previous remarks.
Maybe my misconception is that human intelligence is language based. I suspect, that before being able to think in language, I was much more harmonious and much happier person. One point for Chaos then.
An interesting point. But humans were presumably making things even before they were speaking, and in the process of making those things, they perceived that some of those things were better made than other things. That may have been the basis of craftsmanship, which in turn was the basis of art.
The image I get in my mind when someone says artist is one who is free and unburdened by norms or standards. If I truly felt like I was an artist, I wouldn't bother even trying to apply proper grammar or spelling. I would feel unobliged to make sense to whoever my reader was. I would just write the words as they form in my mind, carefree and productive. Whatever the end result would be, would be art, free from external pressures and expectations.

That's fine if you're only writing for your own amusement, with no expectation that anybody would read it. But for me, writing and storytelling imply readers and listeners. I may sing my songs in the shower, for my own amusement and to hear how the acoustics change, but the songs are really intended to communicate something to another person. To be crude about it, it's the difference between masturbation and intercourse. Not that I have anything against masturbation, but it isn't the same as doing it with another person, and reacting to their reactions, which is what intercourse really should be about.

So I started looking into what was behind abstract expressionism and cubism. Having educated myself a bit, I went back and looked at Picasso and Mariska Karasz again. Lo and behold, their work made sense. I branched out from there and found whole new worlds to consider.

That realization closely parallels my epiphany with jazz. I had no experience with it until I saw Dave Brubeck in concert. The first half of the concert had no effect on me, but I suddenly realized how they were playing with structure and tonality, and it all made sense to me.
That isn't to say all art is good art, but sometimes it really is a matter of the right education.

As Vonnegut said (or quoted), it's easy to tell good art from bad art, but first you have to look at a million paintings.
he was really big on getting younger as you grow old.
Like Robert Zimmerman, noted winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature:

"I was so much older than
I'm younger than that now."

The real catch is that a jazz musician spends his time before that presentation practicing countless hours on their instrument and learning scales so that when inspiration strikes, the music flows forth. I liked that analogy so much because sometimes we expect art to be a natural burst of inspiration from divinity.
I think that every composer goes through that process. What sprang forth from Bach's pen or Beethoven's was the product of every song they'd heard and every hour they spent practicing at the keyboard. Each piece was never heard before, but was snared in written form and transmuted into something that could be accessed ever afterward.
We perceive that the famous/successful artists were just born that way. Some are, but more are made. They struggle, they live, they experience life and that experience becomes their "scales practice." For those willing to write about it, they get better at writing, and better at telling their stories until one day inspiration strikes.

Exactly. And most successful authors will tell you that their first several thousand words were rubbish. (I know mine were.) One writer compared it to an athlete running on a track, over and over again, with not discernible effect on the world at large, until that big race where all that training and conditioning is brought to bear and the whole world is watching.

I read somewhere that it usually takes ten thousand hours of practice or performance to get really good at it. When the Beatles exploded on the music scene, seemingly overnight, what people really heard were the result of playing eight to ten hours a night, six days a week, for three years in clubs in England and Germany. It probably took that long to get to know each other, and to know the music. (Ringo was, of course, a latecomer, but he'd already served his apprenticeship with Rory Storm and other bands.)

Now for my take on the subject. Any practice approaches art when it best communicates an artist's vision or state of mind to an audience. It's that simple. If I can read something and feel enlightened or informed, the writer has done their job. If I can see a sculpture and perceive how the sculptor has conveyed a sense of dignity or motion or intimacy or whatever, I consider that a job well done. If I can hear music and think "I've got to buy that recording so I can hear it again and again" or go to that performer's concert to see how it might be transmuted into something different at a live performance, that's good music.

Of course, there's an internal aspect to it. I wrote a story about an artist who told me that when he sits down to paint, he finds that something that used to work no longer works, or something that never worked before suddenly works just fine. And he said that if the day ever comes when that surprise doesn't happen, that would be the day that he quit painting. (That's a true story, and the artist is Jerald Silva.) That's like singing in the shower, for no audience, but for the pleasure seeing what that song might sound like on that particular day, and that particular place. But Jerald may paint for pleasure, but he also paints for lots of money. (If you have a few thousand dollars to blow, he'll gladly paint your portrait.) And people consider it money well spent if the result is something they'll want to look at again and again, and see new stuff every time they do.
 
I came across this quote below, from Ursula K. Le Guin (October 21, 1929–January 22, 2018) - and it seemed fitting to this thread.

I know there is a reluctance among some writers to consider themselves artists - but maybe this quote will offer a new perspecitve.

Our culture doesn’t think storytelling is sacred; we don’t set aside a time of year for it. We don’t hold anything sacred except what organized religion declares to be so. Artists pursue a sacred call, although some would buck and rear at having their work labeled like this. Artists are lucky to have a form in which to express themselves; there is a sacredness about that, and a terrific sense of responsibility. We’ve got to do it right. Why do we have to do it right? Because that’s the whole point: either it’s right or it’s all wrong.
 
I know there is a reluctance among some writers to consider themselves artists - but maybe this quote will offer a new perspecitve.

I see your point, and I actually have no problem considering other author's work as art. I defend work frequently. I participate in groups regarding a genre with a rabid fan base. The kind that will literally harass authors for doing something to a character they disagree with. It's interesting to say the least. They call for boycotts if a character dies (I'm not at all joking). I have quite literally seen them tell authors in live Q&A's "You're writing for us and we demand X". I have always defended the author's vision. It's entertainment, not a place where the fans should get a vote.

But for myself? It feels arrogant to say "this is art". I should probably figure out why that is.
 
I don't understand your use of this word
I was referring to an overly verbose quote by Ursula where simple things like telling stories become a matter of "sanctity" and "organized religion" and "terrific sense of responsibility." Don't get me wrong. I understand the sentiment, but let's take it down a few notches, Ursula. You'll get my attention better with a tap on my shoulder than a sledgehammer of platitudes to my face.
 
A lot of people will not like this, but I'm used to that.

If I'm honest, then calling it "art" sounds pretentious to me. I just write. I'm not constructing a work of art, in my mind, I'm not trying to send a message, make things beautiful or any of that. I'm just writing something I hope people will enjoy, and eventually, pay me some hard cash for it. Nothing much more than that.

It comes across as a justification for what one is doing, and often, why it's not accepted by other readers. If you're writing just for you, that's fine. You can frame it however feels most comfortable for you. But I find it unhelpful.

Feel free to fire away.
 
A lot of people will not like this, but I'm used to that.

If I'm honest, then calling it "art" sounds pretentious to me. I just write. I'm not constructing a work of art, in my mind, I'm not trying to send a message, make things beautiful or any of that. I'm just writing something I hope people will enjoy, and eventually, pay me some hard cash for it. Nothing much more than that.

It comes across as a justification for what one is doing, and often, why it's not accepted by other readers. If you're writing just for you, that's fine. You can frame it however feels most comfortable for you. But I find it unhelpful.

Feel free to fire away.
I'm with you. That's what I meant by saying it sounds arrogant to me. I just can't see myself calling my own work art.
 
I agree with Homer about Ursula's sledgehammer. A little Matthew 6:5-6 comes in handy when one gets the urge to share too much of one's artistic agony.

If I'm honest, then calling it "art" sounds pretentious to me. I just write.

Me, too. Heck. I think author is a pretentious term. I'm a writer who politely puts up with being called an author because other people don't have the same weird prejudices that I do. My husband objects to being called a cabinetmaker, though that precisely defines his work. He prefers carpenter.
 
Huh, I guess I don't place that high a regard to the concept or definition of art.

I've long ago accepted that a banana duck taped to a wall is art, so have no problem calling my work art. I wouldn't have a problem labelling it that even if it was Star Trek fan fiction where I was a dinosaur and all the characters want to date me. The crayon drawings everyone made as a kid were art too.

Every form of art. no matter its quality or even intent, is still expression something from the human condition. Now, if there was a record scarcity, and we had to choose what to keep and what to lose forever to time, my dino love Star Trek fanfic or crayon drawings would never be chosen over War and Peace. No one is going to visit an art show for something I drew; just because many things are art doesn't mean they're necessarily worthwhile.
 
A piece of writing whose function is merely to communicate, would probably not be art. But a story represents personal expression, and there is a difference between communication and expression. Communication works from memory, but expression works with inspiration, contemplation and imagination, producing art.

To me, the creative impulse, and power, are sacred. I see nothing pretentious in this statement. This creative power – that everyone has, though circumstances do not always allow everyone to tap into it - most differentiates us as humans.

William Blake (who was called an “unfortunate lunatic” in his time) wrote: “The imagination is not a state: it is the human existence itself.”

In fact, maybe there’s a bit of pretending (or at least a lack of vision) in a denial of the wonder and awe of our creativity – the capacity and ability to express our ideas in language that has the potential to captivate others.

So, to any forum member – any budding writer - reading this who has experienced the “writer’s high” after you’ve written a story of which you are proud, don’t let the contrary pundits get you down.

Remember the words of Brenda Ueland, who wrote that everyone “is talented, is original, and has something important to say.”

Ueland’s book – If You Want to Write: A Book about Art, Independence and Spirit - was recommended to me when I first began to write, and I encourage all new writers to read it.

Take the time to be idle, the time to think, then act on your desires (with a nod to William Blake).
 
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And I will say this to new writers.

Don't let some vague concept of producing something out of a higher calling delude you into thinking that alone makes everything you produce meritorious in its own right. If you want to frame it like that, go for it. But do it because you like writing and you want to produce a solid, worthwhile work that people will read, not "a piece of art".

And just remember this. Hitler was an artist. 😈

Write to be read. Write so that other people will enjoy, and want to read you. Write as if everyone and their dog is going to look at it. Even if it's personal, make that your goal. Don't get hung up on the idea of producing "art for artistic merit".
 
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