Violence in the workshop

[Richach]

Online safety measures are there to protect vulnerable people from other people. Not books or non people… There are endless examples of bullying and perverts taking advantage of children or people that have less power. Governments such as Australia, UK and others are stepping in because social media companies have failed to do so despite being given ample opportunity. This is definitely a human on human phenomenon. Dynamic scenarios between people that cannot be verified. I put this in the same bucket as phone scams etc.

Are we saying that online safety bills apply to story telling? I doubt it but happy to be proved wrong.

 

[big soft moose]

Are we saying that online safety bills apply to story telling? I doubt it but happy to be proved wrong.

no, we're saying that the online safety bill, and more the point the reaction to it by search engines applies to content posted on websites. If anyone wants to write a book about two underage twins and their incestous and graphic relationship with their pony who they ride to regularly go on splatter gore rampages then have carnal knowledge of their victims bodies, knock yourself out.... just don't post it here.

we don't want to be prosecuted (unlikely but not impossible), but more than that we also don't want to be dungeoned by search engines (much more likely), end of the day owner and admin make the rules and our general rule is that the sort of violence you see in 18 movies is okay, the sort of thing you only see in films sold under the counter or procured on the dark web is not. Since it's impossible to make a hard and fast rule on how much is too much we ask people to use their common sense, and also moderators will use their best judgement in a case by case basis.

 

[Also]

Having said all that, don't post anything illegal or unnecessarily gratuitous.

Nor gratuitously unnecessary, while we're at it

 

[Also]

I recall watching an Irish TV production when I was about 10 when a woman's naked breasts sent the country into turmoil.

Was David Lean's Ryan's Daughter banned in Ireland after being shot there?

That was the first place I saw bare female breasts and actual [simulated] coition on a screen — at fourteen or so, sitting right next to my parents. That's fourteen in those olden times, nothing like a fourteen-yo today.

The whole film is beautifully shot, though because of bad weather, many of the beach scenes were moved to South Africa. A little of Lean's euphemistic visual symbolism during the erotic sequences is laugh-out-loud-ly over-the-top today, but nonetheless beautiful in its own right.

 

[Rigor Mortis]

Was David Lean's Ryan's Daughter banned in Ireland after being shot there?

That was the first place I saw bare female breasts and actual [simulated] coition on a screen — at fourteen or so, sitting right next to my parents. That's fourteen in those olden times, nothing like a fourteen-yo today.

The whole film is beautifully shot, though because of bad weather, many of the beach scenes were moved to South Africa. A little of Lean's euphemistic visual symbolism during the erotic scenes is laugh-out-loud-ly over-the-top today, but nonetheless beautiful in its own right.

I think you're right. It caused quite the controversy, not least because of that sex scene between Ryan's daughter and a British soldier. So many things to be offended about. Good movie though, when RTÉ got around to televising it.

Apparently Robert Mitchum put himself around in the pubs at the shooting locations, sporting a black eye after one night finished with a demonstration of the local regard for Hollywood A-listers.

The TV show that caused all the hand-wringing was called Spike, I think, and the scene involved a nude model in an art class, probably correctly predicted to be the end of us, just with a Thank God left off the end that sentence.

Edit: Just checked on google and Ryan's Daughter wasn't banned in Ireland but heavily cut on release. Made in 1969, it still courted controversy when I saw it on TV well into the 1980's.

 

[Also]

wasn't banned in Ireland but heavily cut on release.

So all that fuss about an Irish woman and an English soldier merely riding horses in the forest, one supposes. And making eyes, and possibly a stolen kiss.

 

[Rigor Mortis]

It can only lead to one thing…

 

[Also]

It can only lead to one thing…

Dancing?

No, I guess that's more of an American Baptist boogeyman.

 

[transplant]

Old thread but I'll speak anyway.

• My sister wouldn't let her kids watch Bambi 'cause mama dies.
• As a kid I watched Rocky and Bullwinkle outwit the hapless Boris and Natasha. Should kids be subjected to government propaganda? Should they be allowed to access Alex Jones?
• My parents bought me a Disney Peter Pan LP - early 60s. I listened to it before putting it on for my son. There is a line where one of the lost boys says, "Peter, can we go hunt Indians now?".
• I read the "Left Behind" series because it was a good story, easy read and someone I knew was also reading it. Her daughter told us that we should not be reading it because it wasn't accurate to the Bible - Oxymoron? Don't read?
• I used to sneak Dad's Playboy and Hustler magazines. Now, kids can see nearly everything that was in those 'dirty' magazines on prime time TV. Everything that was in those magazines (and more) is in loosely enforced PG13 and NC17 movies.
• In the mid-90s or so, I proposed putting up Internet kiosks around the company. This was dial-up, a few managers had it, everyone wanted it. We agreed on kiosks that were available to all employees as a start. I wanted to know what I was expected to enforce, if anything, and the CEO said enforcement was the supervisor's responsibility. It was a question of productivity not content. I still agree with his decision and would apply it to the parents now for both productivity and content.

The point is things change. We are in the early stages of the Internet, we don't know how to install a 'kids room' effectively. Young kids do not need to be exposed to XXX and other things too, but wac-a-mole hasn't worked yet probably won't work now either.

I heard about that. Hasn't made it to the US yet. We'll see.

Pornhub in Texas puts up a banner that basically says, "we would have to ID you to let you use our site so we won't service your state".

As far as restricting public libraries or sites like this - nonsense. Categorizing among kids, young adult and adult is enough. When they leave with a book it becomes their supervisor's responsibility.

For those of you who are going to have to deal with it, good luck, take in stride and carry on!

As for this site, another poster had it right, don't worry about it unless and until it is a problem. If it does become a problem, sell everything and move to the wilderness 'cause the shit hit the fan!

It will be interesting to see how the new rules shake out in Australia and what happens in the UK.

 

[big soft moose]

As for this site, another poster had it right, don't worry about it unless and until it is a problem.

With respect, no. With regard to this site don’t post graphic violence ( or graphic sexual content) because it is against the rules .