How to Get Solid Feedback: The One Paragraph Shred

Kallisto

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What is it?
The One Paragraph Shred is where you post one very short excerpt of your story. I recommend less than 200 words, but I've posted up as little as a single paragraph before. Then you just let the forum go crazy on it. I've seen it in Critique Circle in their forums, and I really am impressed with the quality of feedback that you receive when you do that.

And that's it. You can actually stop reading here if you want. The rest is just me making an argument as to why people ought to try it.

I often found critiques far too overwhelming, and I think that's because often there's too much feedback. This person over here is going on about "info dumps" and then you have this other guy talking about "the hook" and a third guy lecturing you about how the story doesn't feel "grounded" ... Uggg!!!! I don't even know what any of this means!
(NOTE: I'm not talking about the guy who is complaining you didn't show your big magical tree as being magical enough in Chapter 1... I'm talking about the people who understand they're reading Chapter 1 and that there's 59 more chapters for the stupid tree to be magical. Yes, this is oddly specific for a reason...)

But notice that in the good feedback, they're all saying basically the same thing, just in different ways and maybe pointing out different areas of your manuscript where these issues arose or where that mistake impacted their experience. And this is because writing styles are show of habit. If you don't congregate the verbs properly three different times in your opening paragraph, it's safe to assume you'll probably see that mistake in a lot of other places.

Also, presentation affects everything else. If you really do have problems writing in passive voice, it probably will affect the story's overall appeal. That can make descriptions feel like they're dragging on, thus an "info dump." Or not feel grounded. All of these really show the importance of good spelling and grammar.

On top of it, there's no question to the quality of feedback. If you go onto a critique forum they often have a minimum length for feedback; usually about 200 words. And I get it. They don't want people to come on and say "That was good" just so they have the credit to post their own. But often I look a manuscript and realize there really is just one major problem that, if fixed, would make the whole thing good. But if I wrote, "Hey, don't use passive voice. The End." that writer is going to feel like they didn't receive a quality feedback, because I "didn't read the whole thing." In reality they may have received the best feedback, because it's an easy fix and it makes a huge impact!

What would be the point of people reading through the whole thing at this point?

Actually, there is a reason people should read the whole thing.

Like most forms of feedback, this method is limited in what it could tell you. Obviously, it's not going to be able to tell anything about your characters or plot. They can't point out inconsistencies or whether they feel the major story arc ever felt resolved. Or if you introduced threads of plot that didn't go anywhere. Or if you Chapter 1 does everything a Chapter 1 is supposed to do.

These are things that are just as important and will require an actual read through.
 
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I really like what you wrote here. I wonder if we should make a thread for this format. Because I would like to try it. Because my work is slower and even those who have tried to read my whole story, end up not getting it, because I am not one to rush things. Or be upfront. I am into books that are slow paced, and I write the same way.
 
I really like what you wrote here. I wonder if we should make a thread for this format. Because I would like to try it. Because my work is slower and even those who have tried to read my whole story, end up not getting it, because I am not one to rush things. Or be upfront. I am into books that are slow paced, and I write the same way.
It depends on what you're looking for. If you're looking to see if your slow pace works, probably not. I would think that would require a read through.

However, if you're question is, "I'm drawing out this long description of a table (or whatever) but I'm not sure I'm making any sense with what I'm writing." Yeah, then this will help a lot.

One Paragraph Shreds are about minimal feedback with maximum impact. It's about finding that one little, easy to fix bad habit that you can then apply to and elevate the rest of your manuscript. For example, I found that I packed too many ideas into one sentence. (I think one person critiqued that there were at least three different subjects...) Well, that's not good. But you didn't need to read my whole manuscript to see that.
 
If someone has read your whole story and doesn't get it, that's valuable feedback too.
Is it though?

People would tell me often "Your descriptions are confusing." Okay... cool. And? How do I fix that? What specifically do you mean? I do agree there is merit to pointing out problems, but sometimes you don't have a clue!

But I think that's a topic for another thread.
 
If someone has read your whole story and doesn't get it, that's valuable feedback too.
That's the problem. No one on here has been allowed to read the WHOLE story, because I decide to stop sharing, because the story was clearly not a good fit for the person. Aka, not my target audience and they do not understand the characters or motives, etc. Or it becomes to dark. Or has content they don't want to read that they didn't tell me before hand. I am not faulting anyone for not finishing. I am just saying that my stories tend to be on the long side and so I have had a lack of feedback on a WHOLE piece, because my characters aren't meant to be loved and adored. My stories are dark and don't hold back. That's all.
 
Is it though?

People would tell me often "Your descriptions are confusing." Okay... cool. And? How do I fix that? What specifically do you mean? I do agree there is merit to pointing out problems, but sometimes you don't have a clue!

But I think that's a topic for another thread.
I don't think so. Because as I said above, I sometimes end up sharing with people who I realize are not my target audience for a variety of reasons. I also tend to write Gay and Lesbian characters, which not everyone is interested in reading. Which I understand. The thing is, I have had people say they like dark stories and then decide that my work is too dark. LOL.
 
Or if they can't get past the first page because it sucks, the brilliance of page 62 will never come.
That is fair. I think that it's not the writing so much as that I tend to write long epics? So the inciting incident is in chapters 1-3, rather than In Media Res? Or you don't realize it's the inciting incident until you're on chapter 10 and it's a slow snowball effect.
 
What would that look like and how would it be different from any other Workshop post?
Well, we could make a tag for the format. But I think having it be a big thread would make it easier for people to just get feedback in this style. Instead of many threads that lead to confusion and people giving long feedback that is, "I don't understand this piece". I think just having a thread where people can do this style would be helpful as it would be casual.
 
Is it though?

Yes.

People would tell me often "Your descriptions are confusing." Okay... cool. And? How do I fix that? What specifically do you mean? I do agree there is merit to pointing out problems, but sometimes you don't have a clue!

Make them less confusing.

If you are looking for *specific* information to fix a story, especially a one longer than a short story, then you need an editor, not a workshop. Me, I won't tell you specifically how to fix it, but I'll tell you what I find confusing about it, and you can go off and fix that on your own - that's your job as the writer. If *all* your descriptions are confusing, that's a deeper problem.

It all depends what you expect from a workshop. There are things it's useful for, things it isn't.

I wouldn't use this style, because what I'm looking for isn't paragraph level feedback, it's story level. You're not going to get that my character is a whiny little bitch just from one paragraph.
 
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