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So open door explicit sex scenes are okay to post to the general forum? I'm guessing still no?
How explicit? Are you writing porn? Then, no. Is there some literary value, then, yes. Are members going to be able discuss and act maturely about the contents? We're all good. Are we going to get a bunch of creepers and Internet weirdos that drown out the mature members who appreciate the literary value of hot fucking? Definitely not good. I understand the difference and trust that the majority of our membership do as well. And for those who do not, I trust that the membership can tell the difference as well as I can.
When we say "no erotica" we mean we're not going to have a special area with brackets, warnings, searchlights, and flaming arrows that announce, "sickos, please congregate here." But if it's tasteful, mature, and of literary significance, we're all good. So long as we're not boxed into a corner where we have to legislate what is tasteful and what is not, what is appropriate and what is not, what the good people of society should be exposed to and what they should not be, we're all good.
Like I said, I know the difference. And I have faith and respect that our membership does as well. The corollary to that is that writers need to own what they write. Own that if if they put something into the world that might be upsetting, there isn't some ephemeral authority (me) that's going to create a safe zone to make them feel better about doing so, because everyone who lives in the world should know by now that those areas don't exist. I'm not speaking about any of y'all but about the general way life works.
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I guess... very? No, I am not writing porn. Yes, there is an entire story outside of sex.
I have zero control over what creepers like, which is part of my concern personally. I don't want to be blamed if creepers creep.
I'm good with that, and I see your point. However; knowing that many members have zero desire to stumble into a sex scene, without any 18+ flagging, how would you let them know without alerting the kids and creeps? Just a short intro before the scene like "hey, just so you know, there be sex"? (Which is fine with me, BTW)
Speaking for myself - I have zero problems owning up to what I write.
My only concern has always been - I don't want to get banned because porn vs literary relevance is highly subjective, particularly when you're only talking about 2 or 3k words. When what is being asked is a critique of a scene in a larger story where you don't have all of the relevant info. For me, it's no different than critiquing a fight scene for someone, but not everyone shares my views which I'm extremely aware of. I have no desire to cause issues, I just would like the opportunity to have other sets of eyes on scenes that can be hard to get right, if there are people willing to look at them (without the fear of being banned for breaking the rules as they currently stand).
Personally I don’t want to see explicit sex scenes here. Not because I’m a prude, my own writing has lots of explicit sex, but it’s such a pain in the arse to moderate and it attracts sketchy creeps who want to write out their sex fantasies.
As soon as we start allowing any type of explicit sex we’ll be knee deep in creeps like tundra wolf and his guide to the bulbous penis of dogmen, and people asking for women to critique “something” which turns out to be a picture of their cock, and all that shite
I wrote no erotica into the rules because I’m very very tired of moderating that stuff
I’m aware that’s a little different from what homey said above, he and I will have to tussle that out in the staff room
As soon as we start allowing any type of explicit sex we’ll be knee deep in creeps like tundra wolf and his guide to the bulbous penis of dogmen, and people asking for women to critique “something” which turns out to be a picture of their cock, and all that shite
I wrote no erotica into the rules because I’m very very tired of moderating that stuff
I’m aware that’s a little different from what homey said above, he and I will have to tussle that out in the staff room
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As I said, I get it, but it also sucks to be a writing forum and exclude a valid and prevalent part of writing, one that people often need help with, because a few immature assholes can't control themselves. Obviously the forum is helpful for far more than that, and I appreciate it. It just really bums me out.
Frankly i disagree that its necessary... its one tiny part of writing, but its one tiny part that brings withing a massive ballache for moderators , both from skeazy creeps and from people who are offended by it.
I don't want to be, or want the staff to have to be, the continual arbiter of what is valid writing and what is some sketchy creeper writing down his fantasies for gratification, and/or bothering memberd with dictures, titures, propositions... we went through far too much of that on the OG site
I don't want to be, or want the staff to have to be, the continual arbiter of what is valid writing and what is some sketchy creeper writing down his fantasies for gratification, and/or bothering memberd with dictures, titures, propositions... we went through far too much of that on the OG site
A suggestion that might not work, but could those who want to participate establish their own collective group chat on dm, where work can be shared without being visible generally? I can see that might get awkward if someone involved goes off-script or inappropriate, but attitudes could be sounded out before the invite is extended. That may not click with overall forum culture, in which case the suggestion can be binned.
Aw man, there goes my long-delayed Martha Stewart/Snoop Dogg pegging story. I'm still gonna write it, but I guess it'll have to go straight to the smut sites uncritiqued. Oh well 
I'd be fine with that, personally.
For some genres, yes. For others, it is definitely not "one tiny part".
But again, I do understand your reservations and concerns. I do think there are ways around that headache as discussed previously in thread, but if those are things you are unwilling to do I understand that too.
There is also the potential for group forums... which we did for a bit on the OG site, they're totally hidden from the main site and only there for people who the group want to be members (and for admins who can see everything)... the only thing about that is that one person in the group has to pretty much be a sub mod for it... its not something i'm totally keen on either because it can encourage cliques and we worked very hard to declique the og site, but it is an option when theres something that only a small group of people want
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I meant its one tiny part of writing as a whole...
the problem with the suggestions mooted is that they arent as simple as they appear, for example limiting it to active members and up doesn't stop someone whos an active member from also being a massive creepoid... remember Honey Hatter for example..
age limiting a forum isnt actually possible shortof an add on, and on the OG site the 18+ add on conflicted with pretty much everything, caused a bunch of exception erors and nearly killed the site before it was turned off
I posted a story that was about necrophilia on the old site, which had some sex scenes. It was written as an exercise in unreliable narration, to see how/whether I could keep the reader in the dark about the true nature of what was going on until the final scene.
About 75% of the critiques were about the sex, not about the execution, or the effectiveness of the unreliable narration. One guy wanted me to be more explicit about the necrophiliac sex. So... yeah. People are gonna focus on the sex, whether we like it or not, and it'll detract from any literary merit the story has.
About 75% of the critiques were about the sex, not about the execution, or the effectiveness of the unreliable narration. One guy wanted me to be more explicit about the necrophiliac sex. So... yeah. People are gonna focus on the sex, whether we like it or not, and it'll detract from any literary merit the story has.
we also have to consider the UK online safety act...its easy to think 'well that doesnt apply to us because the owener is in america', howeever we're cloud hosted by Xen Foro who are a uk company and their servers are in the uk.
in breif
We do not with a capital N want to wind up getting kicked by the host because we are hosting something they consider to be pornography without implementing age verification, or because they deem some graphic gore to be harmful content
in breif
We do not with a capital N want to wind up getting kicked by the host because we are hosting something they consider to be pornography without implementing age verification, or because they deem some graphic gore to be harmful content
Good to know this is based in the UK. Was there not one based in the US? Because I 100% thought we were hosted in the US. So, I thought the 1st Amendment worked. Oh well. I was wrong.
I'm sorry, I wasn't around for someone named Honey Hatter so I don't.
So then, DM group chats like @Rigor Mortis suggested are the only viable option? Or are they not an option either?
So again, immature assholes ruin it for others.
I'm not trying to be an asshole, but does this not feel a bit like "boys can't be expected to keep their eyes to themselves so girls can't wear short skirts"?
And again, I understand why it's a problem, but it's disappointing that no one seems to see a problem with it being a problem. Instead of expecting people not to shoot for no reason the answer is "be a smaller target".
. basically she was a sexual predator who was pressuring a young and naive girl to have a threesome with her and her partner... she got banned (by wrey, this was before i was a mod) of course but the operative point ws that she was an established member... also she was a freakshow who was into vampire role play erotica.
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