The Philosophy Thread

Does writing make you present with yourself? And does that make you happy?

I am asking in the context of this quote from Søren Kierkegaard (May 5, 1813–November 11, 1855)

The unhappy person is one who has his ideal, the content of his life, the fullness of his consciousness, the essence of his being, in some manner outside of himself. The unhappy man is always absent from himself, never present to himself. But one can be absent, obviously, either in the past or in the future. This adequately circumscribes the entire territory of the unhappy consciousness.
With all due respect to his obvious intellect, I doubt the this melancholy Dane would recognize happiness if it were presented to him on a silver platter, with watercress around it.
 
this melancholy Dane

I started to read him this morning. his DIAPSALMATA begins like this -

What is a poet? An unhappy man who conceals profound anguish in his heart, but whose lips are so fashioned that when sighs and groans pass over them they sound like beautiful music. His fate resembles that of the unhappy men who were slowly roasted by a gentle fire in the tyrant Phalaris' bull—their shrieks could not reach his ear to terrify him, to him they sounded like sweet music.
 
Beetle in box argument

Found a brief video (1:40 min) that explains it.



It seems to be about the impossibility of knowing another's internal "private language"

Hmm ... but isn't that what writers and poets and artists try to share?
 
Where is Wittgenstein in all of this?
That beery swine?

Seriously, I understand his point that the meanings of "beetle" or "green" or "hurts" are the ones we carry around inside our heads, which cannot be the same as the ones in other people's heads. That's the whole thing about words... they are articles of consensus, developed as we encounter things in the world and compare them to what other people encounter. We both look at a leaf and think "green" even though the exact color might not match or perception of what the perfect "green" is.

Some people look at my eyes and say "gray" and others say "blue." We might say "blue-grey" but that's cheating, because they'll never be able to tell you exactly when blue-gray transitions into blue. Or, if they can (or think they can), their demarcation point will probably not be the same as yours. Similarly, studies have shown that the 1-to-10 scale of pain isn't very useful for patients who are in chronic pain; what most people would rate a certain pain as a 7, one with chronic pain might rate it a 4. They shrug it off. "It ain't so bad," they think. Their set point is already greater than one who commonly lives a painless life. They have lived in the "world of three" so long that they consider it a zero.

Most of the big dictionaries have come around to the "descriptive" nature of their works, rather than the "descriptive." Words mean what most people take them to mean, rather than what the lexicographers want them to mean. In central New York, they have a different gradation of "cold" than people in temperate climates. "Chilly" is when you can see your breath. "Cold" is when your car won't start, and so on.

We may think that words are tools to be used with surgical precision, but they are actually crude tools, the stone hammers of discourse. It's amazing that they can do the work at all. And sometimes they just can't.
 
That beery swine?

Seriously, I understand his point that the meanings of "beetle" or "green" or "hurts" are the ones we carry around inside our heads, which cannot be the same as the ones in other people's heads. That's the whole thing about words... they are articles of consensus, developed as we encounter things in the world and compare them to what other people encounter. We both look at a leaf and think "green" even though the exact color might not match or perception of what the perfect "green" is.

Some people look at my eyes and say "gray" and others say "blue." We might say "blue-grey" but that's cheating, because they'll never be able to tell you exactly when blue-gray transitions into blue. Or, if they can (or think they can), their demarcation point will probably not be the same as yours. Similarly, studies have shown that the 1-to-10 scale of pain isn't very useful for patients who are in chronic pain; what most people would rate a certain pain as a 7, one with chronic pain might rate it a 4. They shrug it off. "It ain't so bad," they think. Their set point is already greater than one who commonly lives a painless life. They have lived in the "world of three" so long that they consider it a zero.

Most of the big dictionaries have come around to the "descriptive" nature of their works, rather than the "descriptive." Words mean what most people take them to mean, rather than what the lexicographers want them to mean. In central New York, they have a different gradation of "cold" than people in temperate climates. "Chilly" is when you can see your breath. "Cold" is when your car won't start, and so on.

We may think that words are tools to be used with surgical precision, but they are actually crude tools, the stone hammers of discourse. It's amazing that they can do the work at all. And sometimes they just can't.

Hmm. Dunno. Philosophical Investigations seems to have conceived language as a fluid game. Rules to be acknowledged/twisted. Perhaps surgical precision isn't obsolete after all, one simply needs to change the tool used in a specific context.
 
So ... it seems I've been pushed out of the Science Thread, because I dared, in my outrageous presumptuousness, to ask what time was and whether it existed.

But it seems to me that since I know nothing about Wittgenstein or Kierkegaard, I can't post that question here either.

May I post it here, pretty please? 😊
 
Ooh, I LOVE philosophy. I'll explain mine a bit.

I do not care if there is a God, or not a God, or multiple gods, or any religion-oriented beliefs. I care about what we are on this Earth for. And I very strongly believe it is to experience and share LOVE between one another, no matter another's sex, race, culture, religious beliefs, political stand point, or anything else. No problem in the universe not NOT be solved with love. Love is everything we do, from the arguments we have to the intimate moments we share with others. So no matter how much hate you have for anything, I think you must remember that love will ALWAYS be greater than any of your problems. Turn to love.
Anyway, rant over <3
 
So ... it seems I've been pushed out of the Science Thread, because I dared, in my outrageous presumptuousness, to ask what time was and whether it existed.

But it seems to me that since I know nothing about Wittgenstein or Kierkegaard, I can't post that question here either.

May I post it here, pretty please? 😊
Time is a dimension, not unlike distance. The differemce is our limited perception. We are aware of past and future but we cannot perceive them directly, only abstractly. Our perception of time is limited to the present which is elusive. For us it is always the present so we are not able to perceive time as distance. We see the evidence of it all around us but we can't experience it, which is frustrsting. Because, in reality the moment doesn’t really exist. As soon as you perceive it, it becomes past. The present exists but the moment does not. This is a paradox that we have to live with. But it doesn't mean that time doesn't exist. It only means that our perception of it is underdeveloped.
 
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Thinking about what my protagonists do when life goes off the rails. Different mindsets for both. Sean in Granite Cradle leans into convenient schemas that aren't necessarily logical. And my other protagonist from Two Headed Shadow chooses to lean into the dark side of life. Can't say one is less adaptive than the other, although, Sean might have a significantly better outcome in life because of his belief system. Despite having had some tragic things happen to him.

But both offer lessons in their own way, as long as you follow their specific kind of logic.

Sort of on the subject of philosophy, at least that's how I'm justifying this post.
 
Because, in reality the moment doesn’t really exist. As soon as you perceive it, it becomes past. The present exists but the moment does not.

I'm not sure if this follows well from what you posted, but I am thinking about going out for lunch today with my Mom. Time with her is so precious to me, and wound up in all of it is all of our past together. So, I am not sure whether or not the present moment contains all of the past.
 
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