What Won't You Write?

imo content warnings are only needed if its a suprise to the genre reader.. ergo a thriller reader doesnt need to be told that a book contains crime and violence, a steamy romance reader doesn't need to be warned that oil soaked sex lies ahead... but someone who buys goldilocks and the three bears in the kids section is going to be justifiably aggrieved if without warning it turns into a non consensual ursine four way on page 4
 
imo content warnings are only needed if its a suprise to the genre reader.. ergo a thriller reader doesnt need to be told that a book contains crime and violence, a steamy romance reader doesn't need to be warned that oil soaked sex lies ahead... but someone who buys goldilocks and the three bears in the kids section is going to be justifiably aggrieved if without warning it turns into a non consensual ursine four way on page 4
Agree, except for dark romance since those often deal with kinks and kinks should have warnings. Some more than others for sure, but I have no problem with them being the standard for dark romance.
 
We had a similar discussion about trigger warnings on the original forum. I take exception to the concept of trigger warning and find it presumptuous. As said above, we're not psychologists and, even if we were, we'd know that people can be triggered in unique ways with a vast range of stimuli. Some things may impact more than others, obviously, but don't read those books if they're likely to be upsetting. I can't control the reader's reaction, I only control the content and content warning I don't have issue with, particularly in consideration of an unsuspecting slush pile reader in whatever publication. Just a heads up that this gets dark or heavy or explicit. Having said that, there have been very few situations with my stuff where I thought a content warning was warranted, even if sensistive issues were contained in the writing.
 
Because I personally hate when I open a book and 'bam!' the trigger warnings. To me, those are just fancy spoilers!
I’ve always found this perspective on trigger/warnings interesting, because to me, most of them aren’t too different from an ESRB or MPAA rating on video games/movies. Perhaps there’s a disconnect because literature’s managed to avoid the ratings boards newer forms of media adopted to avoid trouble from moral guardians, but I wouldn’t feel spoilered by a warning that went “This book contains scenes of graphic sexual violence/torture/animal abuse/intense gore and body horror. Reader discretion is advised.”

Now, if there were page numbers, the warnings were at the start of a chapter, or actually inserted into the text, yeah, I’d find that spoilery and overboard. But something like the book you linked further down? Most of those don’t strike me as things in need of a warning, but they’re also so vague I can’t tell more about the actual story of the book from them than I can with about a video game the ESRB rated M for “Blood and Gore, Intense Violence, Nudity, Strong Sexual Content, Strong Language”.
imo content warnings are only needed if its a suprise to the genre reader.. ergo a thriller reader doesnt need to be told that a book contains crime and violence, a steamy romance reader doesn't need to be warned that oil soaked sex lies ahead... but someone who buys goldilocks and the three bears in the kids section is going to be justifiably aggrieved if without warning it turns into a non consensual ursine four way on page 4
Agreed. After all, the original idea behind them was to avoid blindsiding the audience. Triggers and sensibilities are so varied no one can possibly account for all of them, but certain extremes are obvious. I wouldn’t tell someone they absolutely have to include a warning—your work, your choice—but it’s worth consideration in those circumstances.
 
That sounds great and I would be fascinated to see what it was like. Hell, 1984 is in part about the bastardization of words. And sure, we all have 'taste limits', but I would typically expect those to be much, much worse then someone hating the written word. Did they think you were writing your own opinion? 😹
I probably didn't make it clear enough that it wasn't my opinion. Part of the problem was that the story limit was few pages and the topic I chose needed more words, structure or different ending. And there was only one character and it could be that the mentor understood the story as told from the perspective of the supporter of the authoritorian regime (often depicted in stories like 1984). I often read that it's not necessary to have a message (what the author is trying to say) in a story but I feel like there still is (intentional or intentional) message in most writings, and most likely it didn't come through in the text I submitted or was understood as being in opposition to everything art etc represents.
 
I wouldn't bother with trigger warnings on my own writing, but my view on other people's work having it - why should I care? Since those things won't trigger me, it makes no difference whatsoever to me whether the warning is there or not. If I get told that It contains a depiction of child sexual activity then... so what? Does it affect me in any way if other people get told about it? More importantly, is the book any good? (it was so-so, I thought)
 
I’ve always found this perspective on trigger/warnings interesting, because to me, most of them aren’t too different from an ESRB or MPAA rating on video games/movies.
That's an excellent point, and it's kind of funny that it took so long for a quasi-rating system to make it into literature. When I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to watch R rated movies, but my mother was an English teacher and let me read anything I wanted. One day, she wouldn't let me go see Alien 3 with the rest of my friends, so I started reading her the Beverly Marsh gangbang scene from Stephen King's IT. Then I pulled out some Heart of Darkness and some Maya Angelou, books that she had bought me, and said something like, hey, you should probably take my books away from me if you're worried about my fragile little mind. Needless to say, I got to see Alien 3, as regrettable as that movie was. I'm nearing 50 and she's nearing 80 and we still talk about that all the time.
 
That's an excellent point, and it's kind of funny that it took so long for a quasi-rating system to make it into literature. When I was a kid, I wasn't allowed to watch R rated movies, but my mother was an English teacher and let me read anything I wanted. One day, she wouldn't let me go see Alien 3 with the rest of my friends, so I started reading her the Beverly Marsh gangbang scene from Stephen King's IT. Then I pulled out some Heart of Darkness and some Maya Angelou, books that she had bought me, and said something like, hey, you should probably take my books away from me if you're worried about my fragile little mind. Needless to say, I got to see Alien 3, as regrettable as that movie was. I'm nearing 50 and she's nearing 80 and we still talk about that all the time.
My mom was upset enough that I read her romance novels (which were quite tame at the time). If she knew what was in the rest of the books I was reading she probably would have had a heart attack.
 
As far as content warnings go, it's one of those situations where you often can tell a book by its cover. Not always, but they do often indicate subject matter and tone.

My mother sent myself and my brother off to see the first Alien movie, released 1979 so I was about 11 and bro about 13. She had no idea what it was about, neither did we, but it reduced her load for a couple of hours. People walked out of the cinema after that scene with John Hurt. Guess they could have done with a content warning.
 
As far as content warnings go, it's one of those situations where you often can tell a book by its cover. Not always, but they do often indicate subject matter and tone.

My mother sent myself and my brother off to see the first Alien movie, released 1979 so I was about 11 and bro about 13. She had no idea what it was about, neither did we, but it reduced her load for a couple of hours. People walked out of the cinema after that scene with John Hurt. Guess they could have done with a content warning.
Yeah, my dad let me watch that one when I was about 12 and I had nightmares for years. Like, screaming every night. Two things resulted: it became my favorite movie of all time and I wasn't allowed to watch any more rated R movies. Probably a third thing, too, as I started writing shortly thereafter. It was like, we can fuck with people's heads with words and images? Cool!
 
Jaws had that effect on me, eldest brother brought me, sister and Alien bro when I was about 7, nightmares for years and only later did I connect them to the cello announcing the arrival of the shark. That cinema was seriously lax in enforcement of age restrictions!

I've never seen Exorcist. I mentioned before in old .org but I started reading the book when I was late teens. About three pages in, nothing had happened but the foreboding menace was there in spades. Closed the book, put it outside the room and haven't returned to it since.
 
Jaws had that effect on me, eldest brother brought me, sister and Alien bro when I was about 7, nightmares for years and only later did I connect them to the cello announcing the arrival of the shark. That cinema was seriously lax in enforcement of age
Jaws is rated PG. So is Beastmaster, which is the corniest movie ever, but has child sacrifice, gore, and a fair amount of nudity (in the US anyway - apparently the nudity was cut for the UK?).

Neither movie bothered me, but Beastmaster was my favorite when I was little. And I mean little. Like 9? Maybe younger. I watched it with my dad and my mom came home from work, saw the TV and screamed "what are you letting her watch" to which I replied "people soup!" And giggled apparently. She of course went on the 'if you have nightmares' rant but I never did.
 
It's funny, I've had the same experience with books as a kid. It's hard to guess (especially with no internet, or early internet) what might lie within the pages. I read some stuff that I really should not have, that I can still recall to this day.

I don't remember the name of the book, but I was 11 or 12 when I read this horrifying scene where

this psycho who has this dude tied up in his basement (and has been torturing him) proceeds to chisel out every one of his teeth with a jack knife and then fucks his "bloody, aching mouth."

Child me was like JFC what? Really? Why did my cousin give me this insane shit to read?

Plenty of kids are good to go for reading books intended for adults, but yeah, maybe some kind of "yooo this has some fucked up shit in here" label is actually a good idea.

Also - wanted to share this fun picture re: Alien talk:

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It's funny, I've had the same experience with books as a kid. It's hard to guess (especially with no internet, or early internet) what might lie within the pages. I read some stuff that I really should not have, that I can still recall to this day.

I don't remember the name of the book, but I was 11 or 12 when I read this horrifying scene where

this psycho who has this dude tied up in his basement (and has been torturing him) proceeds to chisel out every one of his teeth with a jack knife and then fucks his "bloody, aching mouth."

Child me was like JFC what? Really? Why did my cousin give me this insane shit to read?

Plenty of kids are good to go for reading books intended for adults, but yeah, maybe some kind of "yooo this has some fucked up shit in here" label is actually a good idea.

Also - wanted to share this fun picture re: Alien talk:

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I was definitely that dude while watching shit like that as a kid. As long as nobody does a close up of doing something to an eyeball I'm good. A needle or something goes near an eye? I'm out.
 
Jaws had that effect on me, eldest brother brought me, sister and Alien bro when I was about 7, nightmares for years and only later did I connect them to the cello announcing the arrival of the shark. That cinema was seriously lax in enforcement of age restrictions!

I've never seen Exorcist. I mentioned before in old .org but I started reading the book when I was late teens. About three pages in, nothing had happened but the foreboding menace was there in spades. Closed the book, put it outside the room and haven't returned to it since.
I bottled out of the Exorcist quite early on. 😅 granted I was only a kid. Fine, a teenager! 😛 but it's as disturbing as shit, in my defence.

To answer the question. Romance. Won't touch it. If it isn't action or supernatural-themed, or doesn't explore a character's dark past, then I won't write it.
 
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