The Philosophy Thread

Some of us "older" folks will carry the discussion on for a bit, but posterity won't--or already doesn't--know there's anything worth discussing.

You think there's been a movement from activity to passivity? What do you think caused it?
 
You think there's been a movement from activity to passivity? What do you think caused it?
Total saturation into all elements of life. Down to neural and chemical structure of the brain with likes and dopamine hits. And relationships. Basic human interaction replaced by its digital equivalent. I can still distinguish between traditional interpersonal interaction and the digital, like all of y'all degenerates on the forum who I've never met, but how many kids who never lived the other way know the difference?
 
Total saturation into all elements of life. Down to neural and chemical structure of the brain with likes and dopamine hits. And relationships. Basic human interaction replaced by its digital equivalent. I can still distinguish between traditional interpersonal interaction and the digital, like all of y'all degenerates on the forum who I've never met, but how many kids who never lived the other way know the difference?

You make me think of my niece, who gets all of her political opinions from TikTok....
 
You make me think of my niece, who gets all of her political opinions from TikTok....
Which is a great point. An opinion used to be a sacrosanct thing that you could only formulate yourself through experience and critical thinking. I mean, you could watch the news in that 30 minute, now you see it now you don't window. Or talk to some people face to face and either take the information or not, using critical thinking because there were no other informative options available.
 
How does one speak of nothing without turning it into something?
How you speak of "nothing" hardly affects whether it exists or not, unless your definition of existence includes that your speaking of it grants it existence. I think we -- I feel I anyway -- can conceive the concept of a total lack of existence, of "no thing" without having to posit that the substance of that concept has some form of existence.

Whew. It's getting too close to my bedtime to wander down this trail.
 
How do we get people to read again?

That's not a question for philosophy, but marketing. ;)

People who want to read ... will read. Those who don't ... won't. It's as simple as that.

Does nothing exist?

It must, because everything has its opposite.

It even has many names, especially as part of religion, folklore, or mythology -- e.g. Greek Chaos, Norse Ginnungagap, Chinese Hundun, Sumerian Namma, or the goddess Tiamat and the god Apsu in Babylon.
 
Did you get around to reading Watt?

No, I haven’t. Why? Did he touch upon a “theory of nothing?”

No, tonight I read a fascinating article published on AeonFrom Nothing, Everything

One of the things the article got into was the development of the concept of the “void” by the ancient Greek atomists, Democritus chief among them. They called the void a “positive presence” - If the void is the absence of an atom, the atom exists as what fills a void.

Sort of like, does emptiness exist?

In the words of Democritus: ‘By convention sweet and by convention bitter, by convention hot, by convention cold, by convention colour, but in reality atoms and void.’ (He also extended this “to be” and “not to be” paradox to differentiating between the pseudo-being of human experience and the true reality that lies beyond it.)

Aristotle, in his Metaphysics, says that the atomists - ‘say that “what is” exists no more than “what is not” because the void exists no less than the body,’ that is, the atom.

In short, a theory of everything requires a theory of nothing.

For example, the atom has been shown to be “a profoundly indeterminate being: at once particle and wave, there and not there, something and nothing.” And, the Big Bang created all that exists in the universe theoretically from nothing.

The final paragraph of the article is quite eloquent:

Nothing is as paradoxically productive for physics as it has been for philosophy and art. It may even have produced the Universe itself, as Lawrence M Krauss hypothesises in A Universe from Nothing (2012), as quantum fluctuations of empty space spontaneously generated the virtual particles that gave rise to matter – as if Rauschenberg’s blank canvasses themselves created the shadows they reflect and the objects that cast them. Everything is born of nothing and, if the physicists are right, will some day be consumed by this expanding nothing. And that, we might say, is poetry as we need it.
 
No, I haven’t. Why? Did he touch upon a “theory of nothing?”
Within a long rumination:
"For the only way one can speak of nothing is to speak of it as though it were something..."

I can't recommend (edit) enough the reading by Barry McGovern of an adapted version of the novel, take a 40 minute drive somewhere and play it in the car.
 
"Look it cannot be seen -- it is beyond form,
Listen and it cannot be heard -- it is beyond sound,
Grasp, it cannot be held -- it is intangible . . . .

The form of the formless,
The image of the imageless,
It is called indefinable and beyond imagination."

Lao-Tsu, The Tao Te Ching (Gui-Fu Feng and Jane English, trans) Vintage Books 1972
Chapter 14.

I've always loved that Jane English held a doctorate from the University of Wisconsin "for her work in high energy particle physics." (from the "note about the translators). Kind of brings us back to science again.
 
How can you have a picture of the world when your brain is locked up in your skull?
 
How can you have a picture of the world when your brain is locked up in your skull?

Your eyes (and other sensory organs) form impressions, based on the world around you (and more widely, based on maps and pictures of other places, etc.), that feed into your brain. The brain then processes all this and forms opinions on the world.

A simple example is a 5-year-old boy watching mum make dinner. The boy wants to help, but mum shoos him away from the knives and hot stove. While mum's back is turned, the boy grabs a knife and tests it, but it's sharp and he cuts his finger.

He then concludes that:

a) knives are sharp and hurty, therefore ...
b) mum was right, therefore ...
c) maybe he shouldn't "try to help" for a while.

Of course this sounds obvious, but I'm just trying to replicate the logic of a small boy. :)
 
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